tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post3608034141029565279..comments2023-11-05T05:27:55.905-06:00Comments on A Homesteading Neophyte: A Moment of silence for Illinois.Phelanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08250080326099834661noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-27457603145739784652007-11-06T06:46:00.000-06:002007-11-06T06:46:00.000-06:00I should also state, that e-coli is also a natural...I should also state, that e-coli is also a natural bactira that harbors in the intestinal tract of not just humans but in cattle. Inproper butchering can cause contamination.Phelanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250080326099834661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-24611844736542384642007-11-05T07:28:00.000-06:002007-11-05T07:28:00.000-06:00Robbyn, Penn Julliet, from Penn and Teller, said t...Robbyn, Penn Julliet, from Penn and Teller, said the other day, that we are no longer allowed to fail, and that is the most unAmerican thing there is. I agree with him. We are scared, not just of failure, but of everything. And because of the we are giving up our civil liberties. Funny, that NAIS is about terroism. They do not like how we live so we create laws so that we no longer live how we are.<BR/><BR/>Gina, exactly. As I said, food Borne illness, like e-coli do not come from the meat, it comes from mishandeling, primarly people not washing their hands after going to the bathroom. I say lets' start a edible pumpkin campign, you with me?Phelanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250080326099834661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-30730674650649323972007-11-05T07:12:00.000-06:002007-11-05T07:12:00.000-06:00Phelan, did you hear about the big Cargill meat re...Phelan, did you hear about the big Cargill meat recall? E. coli again. We all know that this is the biggest problem with the US CAFO meat system is not the things they are "attempting" to track/control thru the NAIS-it's E.coli and other problems associated with the mind numbingly fast-paced meat processing system. No amount of mandatory or voluntary NAIS is going to remedy these problems!!!<BR/><BR/>I am reading Diet for a Dying Planet. It reads like a college term paper, but it is scary, scary, scary. After I am done (it may be a couple of weeks) would you like it. It'll give you ammunition for the fight, including statistics and examples of the gross neglect of USDA and their friends The Industry.<BR/><BR/>I have a lot of fears of retatilation too. I fear for my job (maybe this would not be so bad), my freedom, my self-sufficiency and way of life, my children's future...<BR/><BR/>I hope there are enough of us to band together: Safety in numbers, y'know!<BR/><BR/>As for the pumpkins, they number one type is the type used for Jack O'lanterns (Connecticut field, I think) and not grown for food. it is more hollow with less seed and meat. Sadly, pumkins and squash are very, very nutrituious, easy to grow and could provide a lot of food to the masses. I only buy/grow pumpkins that we eat (sometimes we sacrifice one or two for Jacks if I have a good crop or find them cheap somewhere).<BR/><BR/>Another sad part to this is that things like pre-packaged "junk foods" and soda pop are still tax free food items. WTF???Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10788740577135090145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-73838495867035926002007-11-05T01:29:00.000-06:002007-11-05T01:29:00.000-06:00Hello?? Do we still live under a constitution??I'...Hello?? Do we still live under a constitution??<BR/><BR/>I'm really really really angry about this. What a snow job.Robbynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01860870861321231048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-19645935503095039352007-11-04T19:39:00.000-06:002007-11-04T19:39:00.000-06:00Anita, I do not want you confused on this at all. ...Anita, I do not want you confused on this at all. Please ask what you need to. I want you to understand so you can make your decision. And there are many different connection to the phrase. . .<I>it's starting</I>Phelanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250080326099834661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-66895675402756424032007-11-04T09:20:00.000-06:002007-11-04T09:20:00.000-06:00I am still completely comfused...I get the general...I am still completely comfused...I get the general concept, though, and all I can think is... <BR/><BR/>"Its starting..."Anitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03151961559080472585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-17077124966016778192007-11-04T07:13:00.000-06:002007-11-04T07:13:00.000-06:00Stephanie, you are not compeletly screwed. Tagging...Stephanie, you are not compeletly screwed. Tagging is required for exhibit. You can still buy untagged livestock, just don't buy them at auction.Phelanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250080326099834661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-91341614528548137102007-11-03T10:54:00.000-05:002007-11-03T10:54:00.000-05:00Yeah we are totally screwed here now. We want ani...Yeah we are totally screwed here now. We want animals when we get a place :(Jederahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895768255456913584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-12908985093014334182007-11-03T09:32:00.000-05:002007-11-03T09:32:00.000-05:00Monica, There are times when I feel that we will l...Monica, There are times when I feel that we will lose. Too many people don't grasp what NAIS actualy means. They are not sure how any of this will affect them. We have to keep up writting, informing them that NAIS means you can say god bye to the small farms and homesteads, and hello to food monopoly.<BR/><BR/>I fear I am risking my freedom my speaking out so much. I read the stories of others that are vocal about NAIS, those that oppose it. They are losing their livestock, they are having tags forced onto their livestock. I fear I may end up in jail. But as long as I can speak, and as long as I can write, I will fight this. I will help get us closer to a victory. And I know that you will too. <BR/><BR/>What we need is a reconizable voice. I have written a few letters to some people that are well known to the pulic, and that I feel would be outraged about NAIS, if they knew about it. We will see what happens with that.<BR/><BR/>I know it feels helpless. I have those days as well. But we can't stop.Phelanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250080326099834661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-34614769163510795422007-11-03T08:41:00.000-05:002007-11-03T08:41:00.000-05:00Are we going to lose Phelan?Are we going to lose Phelan?Dancingfarmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02542161200214992918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-48122214120465263632007-11-02T21:16:00.000-05:002007-11-02T21:16:00.000-05:00mommymommy, first I am so glad you are interested ...mommymommy, first I am so glad you are interested in what is going on. Now, let's get you some answers.<BR/><BR/><I>If I buy some chicks from a hatchery, I would have to register my property, and the chicks,</I> <B>yes</B> <I>but any chicks they have on the farm, that stay on the farm, do not have to be registered?</I> <B>correct, unless that is you indtend to sell them or give them away, then they must have their own id</B> <I>Same with cows, right?</I> <B>yes, any animal that is considered edible must be registered, if they might possibly leave your property</B> <I>But wouldn't my property still be registered from the initial cow/ chick purchase?</I> <B>right, this is called premise id. You will be listed as a farm, even if you only own one or two 4-H rabbits.</B> <I>So wouldn't they still be able to come on my farm and do whatever?</I> <B>you do not even have to be registered for them to come on your land a depopulate or force tagging. If the USDA thinks that they may be a problem, weather or not your animals leave your property, under NAIS, even in this voluntary stage, they can get warrents and come onto your property. They do not have to do any testing to even see if your animals are sick. They will be allowed to depopulate without compensation. And you will not be allowed to repopulate until they say you can</B> <I>Or once we eat or sell all the originally registered animals can we unregidter our premisises?</I> <B>no, once you are registered, or purchase a registered animal, you may not remove the tags without penalty. Unregistering your premise takes court actions. They are reports of the USDA registering people without consent. These people are taking them to court.</B><BR/><BR/>In theory, it would be a good idia to buy your livestock before this becomes manadory. The problem though is that once your orginal animals are beyond breeding age, you have to repopulate with an outside source or risk inbreeding. Not something you really want. NAIS will stop many of us from doing this, as you will not be able to sell, buy or trade livestock with out the mark...I mean tags. <BR/><BR/>Hopefully I answered your question. If not, please tell me to expand on something. I am always happy to try and answer a question.Phelanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250080326099834661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-47527517586350800462007-11-02T21:00:00.000-05:002007-11-02T21:00:00.000-05:00Gina, my goodness when did we stop eating pumpkins...Gina, my goodness when did we stop eating pumpkins!?! We have had a mold problem here the last 2 years, so there is a shortage. I guess I need to do some pupmpkin edible education.<BR/><BR/>green eyes, I agree they are too sneaky and using our children is plain wrong.Phelanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250080326099834661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-78784121816395542002007-11-02T18:30:00.000-05:002007-11-02T18:30:00.000-05:00okay so I have a question. I want to make sure I ...okay so I have a question. I want to make sure I understand fully. If I buy some chicks from a hatchery, I would have to register my property, and the chicks, but any chicks they have on the farm, that stay on the farm, do not have to be registered? Same with cows, right? But wouldn't my property still be registered from the initial cow/ chick purchase? So wouldn't they still be able to come on my farm and do whatever? Or once we eat or sell all the originally registered animals can we unregidter our premisises?<BR/><BR/>Confusing I know, but I am still trying to grasp it all.MommyMommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04937129390008313739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-44491440081625895742007-11-02T16:09:00.000-05:002007-11-02T16:09:00.000-05:00I was just about to do a post on NAIS... it's good...I was just about to do a post on NAIS... it's good to see someone blogging about it. The worst part is how sneaky they are being about this... first it was "mandatory someday" then it was "not yet mandatory" then strictly "voluntary," but now they're coming in through the back door, in a sense, using 4H and the like. Grrr.Mrs. Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08837680364354660691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-52109627615908462592007-11-02T13:57:00.000-05:002007-11-02T13:57:00.000-05:00I should also point out the obvious for know reaso...I should also point out the obvious for know reason to "the choir", but NAIS is a type of tax on our livestock.Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10788740577135090145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-66480122632883648282007-11-02T13:56:00.000-05:002007-11-02T13:56:00.000-05:00I just put a bit about Iowa also taxing pumpkins d...I just put a bit about Iowa also taxing pumpkins due to not being food items *anymore*!!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for continuing the update and fight against NAIS. I will put a bit and link on my blog.Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10788740577135090145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-36187568281359626682007-11-02T10:10:00.000-05:002007-11-02T10:10:00.000-05:00That's silly! I eat my pumpkins.That's silly! I eat my pumpkins.Phelanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08250080326099834661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28663723.post-5986919697450658362007-11-02T09:48:00.000-05:002007-11-02T09:48:00.000-05:00Ma, it's rough to be a farmer in Illinois. Illinoi...Ma, it's rough to be a farmer in Illinois. Illinois also started taxing pumpkins this year. Hideous.<BR/>http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071031/NEWS/710310383/1001/NEWSChrysshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11536431889606865014noreply@blogger.com